[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: in his death?
Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried at umich.edu
Thu May 20 16:07:59 EDT 2004
It is only the need to see Jesus here that
a Jewish court is inferred.
The text takes place in Babylon under Persian rule. I assure
you there were no Jewish courts. In fact, I can
assure you there were no Jewish courts even in
Judah during the Persian period. I discuss this
extensively in my article
You Shall Appoint Judges: "Ezra's Mission and the Rescript of Artaxerxes,"
in J. W. Watts, Persia and Torah: The Theory of Imperial Authorization of
the Pentateuch, SBL Symposium Series (Atlanta: Society of Biblical
Literature, 2001): 63-89.
and in my book
The Priest and the Great King: Temple-Palace Relations in the Persian
Empire, BJSUCSD 10 (Winona Lake, IN: Eisenbrauns, 2004).
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> Actually, pulling the beard is encountered even in Talmud as
> a sanction.
> In 53, the man was evidently executed by Jews; Isaiah, in my
> opinion, would hardly call heathen court mishpat.
> Best regards,
> > Dear Jack, Harold, Peter, Vadim, etc.
> > These events are to be treated as descriptive of events that took
> > place in the Persian period, the time of Second Isaiah. Any other
> > interpretation violates all common sense imo. Prophets deal
> with the
> > events and concerns of their own times. They do not deal
> with events
> > happening 700 or 500 years in the future.
> > I also don't agree that the protagonist in Isaiah 53 was
> executed by
> > his own people. If he was executed (and I say if) it was by the
> > Persians in Persia.
> > This poem is a continuation of Isaiah 50, and there the speaker is
> > definitely jailed by Persians. Pulling out the hairs of the
> head and
> > beard, as well as flogging, are Persian sanctions, not Jewish.
> > Read Helzer, M. "The Flogging and Plucking of Beards in the
> > Empire and the Chronology of Nehemiah," AMI 28
> (1995-96):305-7. This
> > article definitely shows the Persian background to Isaiah 50. The
> > speaker is jailed for disobedience to Persian authority for some
> > reason. The kindlers of fire (50:11) may be Jews who rush after the
> > customs of the Zoroastrians.
> > I see Isaiah 53 as refering in the third person to the first person
> > speaker of Isaiah 50.
> > Liz Fried
> > Lisbeth S. Fried, Ph. D.
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> > > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: in his death?
> > >
> > > Dear Jack,
> > >
> > > You're right that the rule was hardly enforced in the tumultuous
> > > first century, especially with illegal execution by foreigners.
> > > However, if you treat chapter 53 as prophecy, the man was
> > > by his own people - thus mishpat, legal proceeding - not by
> > > foreigners.
> > > Besides, I guess, the observance was more rigorous in
> Isaiah's time.
> > > This is only a guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Vadim Cherny
> > >
> > >
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