[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: In his death?

Lee Roy Martin lmartin at vol.com
Mon May 17 17:56:18 EDT 2004


Dear Vadim,
I see no problem in a wicked/rich parallel. Cf. the connection between 
evil and riches in Proverbs 28:22; Jer. 5:26-27; and Psalm 37:16. 
Micah,  Amos and other prophets frequently ascribe great wickedness to 
the wealthy.
LRM



On May 17, 2004, at 5:05 PM, UUC wrote:

> Dear Lee,
>
> I doubt about the parallelism in this verse, since rich are not 
> normally
> paralleled to wicked in ancient literature.
> Anyway, "altars" is just the closest approximation of bamah. "Shrine" 
> is
> another possibility, I agree with you. It's not only the burial 
> places, but
> also sacrificial places, thus could be in plural, no problem.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vadim
>
>
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: In his death?
>
>
>> Vadim,
>> Given your concern for the literal, if you insist on rejecting bemotav
>> as "death" then you should translate it as "his high places," not "his
>> altars".  The word bamah means "back", or  "high place".  If a high
>> place is used for worship it may include an altar or a shrine, but the
>> Isaiah 53 text does include the words altar or house, both of which 
>> are
>> occur in other texts along with the word bamah.
>> If the high place is  a cultic place of burial, as it seems to be in
>> Ezek. 4:7, then you still have the problem of the plural form= "his
>> burial places".
>> In light of the parallelism of the verse, I would either translate as
>> "his death" or "his burial", and accept the plural as intensive.
>> Lee R. Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 15, 2004, at 2:46 AM, unikom at paco.net wrote:
>>
>>> Well, since the argument started to deviate into a messianic debate,
>>> may I
>>> suggest to concentrate, to begin with, on a single word:
>>>
>>> bemotav
>>>
>>> It is uniformly translated as
>>>
>>> in his death.
>>>
>>> How so? The word is in plural in every mss, even in Qumran.
>>>
>>> So, it is either,
>>>
>>> in his deathS,
>>>
>>> or, from boma,
>>>
>>> his altars
>>>
>>> I would love to read any arguments to the contrary.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Vadim Cherny
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>>
>




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