[b-hebrew] Isaiah 9:6 Wonderful Counselor
peterkirk at qaya.org
Thu Dec 30 20:19:33 EST 2004
On 30/12/2004 22:05, Schmuel wrote:
>Note that the Greek OT (the socalled LXX), as often, varies greatly.
>Personally I do not consider it of much relevance, but for background
>here is a differing Greek OT text.
>“Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty One, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come.”The Septuagint, as found in the Codex Alexandrinus, translated by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton, c. 1850.
The LXX text is complex and variable, but this is not an accurate
translation of the Codex Alexandrinus text at this point; in all LXX MSS
it seems this list starts with something like "messenger of mighty
counsel". Brenton's translation very likely owes more to KJV than is
Here, by the way, is Wycliffe's version of this verse, from
6 Forsothe a litil child is borun to vs, and a sone is youun to vs, and
prinsehod is maad on his schuldre; and his name schal be clepid
Wondurful, A counselour, God, Strong, A fadir of the world to comynge, A
prince of pees.
But Matthew's Bible of 1537, from http://pcministry.com/tanak/isa.htm, has:
9:6 For unto us a child shall be born, and unto us a son shall be given.
Upon his shoulders shall the kingdom lie, and he shall be called with
his own name: the wonderous giver of counsel, the mighty God, the
everlasting father, the Prince of peace,
So Wycliffe, translating the Vulgate, separated "wonderful" from
"counsellor", and "God" from "strong/mighty"; but Matthew, largely an
independent translation from the Hebrew, combined both of these phrases.
For some reason which is now unclear, KJV separated the first pair but
combined the second pair. So did the Douay-Rheims version of 1609, see
http://www.hebrewoldtestament.com/B23C009.htm. This is interesting
because it seems highly improbable that these two apparently independent
translations would have made the same improbable choice independently.
But in any of these cases the punctuatuion could have been adjusted by
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