[B-Greek] The combination of prepositional phrases - John 21:11
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Sun Nov 8 01:28:11 EST 2009
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
> My suggestion is that the underlying structure would have a second EIS
> preposition as in:
> ἀνέβη οὖν Σίμων Πέτρος [εἰς τὴν γῆν] καὶ εἵλκυσεν τὸ δίκτυον εἰς τὴν γῆν
> ANEBH OUN SIMWN PETROS [EIS THN GHN] KAI hEILKUSEN TO DIKTUON EIS THN GHN
> In this case, the two EIS phrases would be exactly identical, and that is both
> superfluous and bad style, so the first one is deleted and the two indicative
> verbs share the second one.
> Another option for the writer might have been to use a present participle of
> hELKW rather than the indicative aorist. But John often prefers coordinated
> indicatives for participles, probably because of Semitic influence.
> Another possible reason for keeping the second EIS phrase in v. 11 could be to
> focus on the net now being dragged onto land, when 7 fishermen could not pull it
> into the boat a few minutes earlier.
> In any case, I do not consider it warranted by grammar or context to import the
> destination "boat" into v. 11 as RSV did. Trying to drag the net onto shore when
> standing in the boat makes no sense. If he was already on the shore, then why
> enter the boat? And it would be physically impossible for one person to pull it
> into the boat considering the weight of the net and the fish. The LB restatement
> of the KJV has a frantic attempt of making sense out of it by changing "went up"
> to "went out", but going out into the water from land is KATABAINW.
> Of course, I realize that people make these frantic efforts because they assume
> that Peter swam to shore even though verses 7-10 do not say or imply that he
> did. How you interpret one verse to a large extent determines how you interpret
> the following verses. For instance, NIV erroneously renders HLQON in v. 8 as
> Any comments?
> Iver Larsen
I doubt Peter was still in the water keeping swimming to the land
while others brought the boat to the land and, ashore, they saw a
charcoal fire piled up there and being asked by Jesus (i.e. vv. 8, 9,
To me, Peter was already on the beach and joined the others. But he
went back up aboard the boat to GET the net pulled on to the land.
[The net full of fish had not been pulled until then.]
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