[B-Greek] Fwd: Ephesians 2:1-3

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 24 12:11:37 EDT 2009


On Mar 24, 2009, at 7:48 AM, John Butzu wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Butzu <jbutzu at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM
> Subject: Ephesians 2:1-3
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>
>
> Hello.  Could someone please explain to me why in Ephesians 2:1 the  
> greek
> word ONTAS is translated as being in the past tense when it seems to  
> be
> present as such.  Should it not read something like: "And you, being  
> dead in
> trespasses"... etc.
>
> Also, with addition of the second "you" (hUMWN) would that be  
> correctly
> translated as "and *you* being dead in *your* trespasses and in
> *your*sins"?  Sorry if these questions don't require alot of mental
> exertion to
> answer... I'm just trying to learn!
>
> Lastly, it seems to me that Ephesians 2:1-3 is quite weird in to  
> read in the
> greek... kind of a long fragmented or run on sentence.  Do you think  
> that
> was why translators added in different tranlations (KJV, etc.) "hath  
> he
> quickened"?
>
> Thank you for your patience.
>
> Sincerely,
> John Butzu
>

  John,

first we need to quote the passage

Eph. 2:1 Καὶ ὑμᾶς ὄντας νεκροὺς τοῖς  
παραπτώμασιν καὶ ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις  
ὑμῶν,  2 ἐν αἷς ποτε περιεπατήσατε  
κατὰ τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ κόσμου τούτου,  
κατὰ τὸν ἄρχοντα τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ  
ἀέρος, τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ νῦν  
ἐνεργοῦντος ἐν τοῖς υἱοῖς τῆς  
ἀπειθείας·  3 ἐν οἷς καὶ ἡμεῖς  
πάντες ἀνεστράφημέν ποτε ἐν ταῖς  
ἐπιθυμίαις τῆς σαρκὸς ἡμῶν  
ποιοῦντες τὰ θελήματα τῆς σαρκὸς  
καὶ τῶν διανοιῶν, καὶ ἤμεθα τέκνα  
φύσει ὀργῆς ὡς καὶ οἱ λοιποί·

EPH. 2:1 KAI hUMAS ONTAS NEKROUS TOIS PARAPTWMASIN KAI TAIS hAMARTIAIS  
hUMWN,  2 EN hAIS POTE PERIEPATHSATE KATA TON AIWNA TOU KOSMOU TOUTOU,  
KATA TON ARCONTA THS EXOUSIAS TOU AEROS, TOU PNEUMATOS TOU NUN  
ENERGOUNTOS EN TOIS hUIOIS THS APEIQEIAS:  3 EN hOIS KAI hHMEIS PANTES  
ANESTRAFHMEN POTE EN TAIS EPIQUMIAIS THS SARKOS hHMWN POIOUNTES TA  
QELHMATA THS SARKOS KAI TWN DIANOIWN, KAI HMEQA TEKNA FUSEI ORGHS hWS  
KAI hOI LOIPOI:

Translation is off topic so I will not address it.

There is nothing weird here, as "Pauline" verbiage goes this passage  
is relatively well formed.   ONTAS ... hAMARTIAIS hUMWN represents an  
on going state of affairs. The time element is indicated by POTE in EN  
hAIS POTE PERIEPATHSATE ...  ANESTRAFHMEN POTE.


Elizabeth Kline







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