[B-Greek] Death by categories

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Mar 5 16:29:41 EST 2009


This was intended for the whole list, not just myself. CWC

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Thomas J. Kraus" <t.j.kraus at web.de>
> Date: March 5, 2009 1:59:58 PM EST
> To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Death by categories
>
> Thanks, Carl, for writing what you wrote (and how you wrote it).  
> After quite some experience with 'automated' translations, I have  
> become rather tired due with these. Deary me, what will be next?  
> Work on translating the LXX-Psalms into German for the "Septuagint  
> Deutsch"-Projekt (which implies a comparison of the Greek with the  
> Hebrew, a look at some Syriac, reading early Christian writers, and  
> so on) have taught me a lesson!
>
> However, thank you, James, the complete text of the blog is rather  
> interesting and fine food for thought!
>
> Thomas J. Kraus
>
> ---
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>> Gesendet: 05.03.09 18:44:57
>> An: James Spinti <JSpinti at Eisenbrauns.com>
>> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Betreff: Re: [B-Greek] Death by categories
>
>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:29 AM, James Spinti wrote:
>>
>>> A very nice post by Rick Brannon about translation and categories
>>> for cases. A short snippet to whet your appetite:
>>>
>>> But all of that stymies me. I'm really supposed to know (and
>>> recall?) all that hooey before I can translate  
>>> ᜁρκίζω σε
>>> τ᜞Μ ΞεόΜ as "I implore you by God"? The  
>>> label doesn't help me
>>> understand the Greek any better, it gives one shorthand to English
>>> it (lemma + parsing/declension + force labels == English
>>> translation). Actually, I may even be understanding the Greek less
>>> because I'm relying on the label to tell me how to English something
>>> instead of actually understanding the Greek itself. Doesn't the
>>> occurrence of ορκιζω along with the double  
>>> accusative (σε +
>>> τοΜ ΞεοΜ) clue me in to something different  
>>> going on without
>>> having to label the blasted thing "accusative of oath"?
>>> --
>>> The whole post is here:
>>> http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog/2009/03/03/IReallyDontLikeCategories.aspx
>>> Or, TinyURL:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/caune9
>>
>> Yes, yes, yes, yes. Before long now the software will take care of it
>> all for us, including translation, once we get the algorithms all
>> figured out -- sometime about the middle of next year -- and then the
>> only persons needing actually to KNOW Biblical Greek will be the
>> people who program the software for us, assuming that we trust them  
>> to
>> do all of our thinking for us.
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>>
>>
>>
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