[B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)

Vasile Stancu stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
Sat Oct 4 13:31:32 EDT 2008


Determination... how to determin one to have determination? A wonderful question to answer...

Vasile

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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Aubrey
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:35 AM
To: George F Somsel; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)

You're right George. It is possible to do learn the language the way you did (obviously, you are evidence of that), but unfortunately, *most* students don't have the determination that you have to work on reading the way you have. And for them, I would hold that modern methods such as "Total Physical Response" (which, IMHO, is amazing) are the best way for those students without your determination to gain true comprehension of the language.

Mike
http://evepheso.wordpress.com

George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote: Ἁ̓πτός [(h)APTOS] is tangible.  I assume you meant ἄρτος [ARTOS].
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 I agree that most don't learn Greek even remotely adequately.  What is needed is greater concentration on reading rather than translating.  When I was preparing for the GSFLT [Graduate Student Foreign Language Test] in German and French I didn't study grammar or even try to translate.  I got anthologies in the two languages and simply read them with as little reference to a dictionary as possible.  The emphasis was on speed and being able to feel that I understood the basics of the text even if I didn't understand absolutely everything.  I had done a similar thing with Dutch in a course I took in that (though that was not required for Graduate School).  It seemed to work.  By contrast I simply picked up Spanish from conversation with little written input or grammar.  That also works quite well.  Hebrew and Aramaic followed much the same pattern as Greek (which is to say the traditional approach) and  consequently required much subsequent reading to gain any fluency in its
 comprehension.  I think that reading (as opposed to immersion and verbalization) can work if enough effort is put into reading a large quantity of text at a fairly rapid pace.
 .
 george
gfsomsel
 


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From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:11:28 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)

The vast majority of students in the US who learn Koine in seminaries and universities don't learn the language. What they learn is a method for translating in their heads every word and phrase that they see. There is no internal comprehension of the words. The relationship in students head between APTOS and the loaf sitting in the kitchen doesn't exist in any student's mind. There is only a relationship between the lexemes "APTOS" and "Bread." That's not reading - or if it is, its barely reading. Its more like learning a code than anything else.

I've done modern language methods for other langauges - and after three months, my Russian was better than my Greek had  been after a year!

Mike
http://evepheso.wordpress.com

      
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