[B-Greek] Jude 2

rhutchin at aol.com rhutchin at aol.com
Fri Nov 28 13:52:58 EST 2008

 (a) You are correct.? Misspelled by me (but not on purpose).

(b)? I don't know.

2 John 1:3 has ESTAI MEQ hHMWN CARIS ELEOS EIRHNH... without the conjunction (also 1 Tim 1:2, 2 Tim 1:2, and Titus 1:4, all of which have the same basic phrase).? Could the author have written, ESTAI MEQ hHMWN CARIS KAI ELEOS KAI EIRHNH... ?? Is there anything to be gained by leaving out or inserting? KAI in this instance?? Is there a purpose for Jude to use KAI where Paul/John do not do so?

Should I take the wording of 2 John 1:3 (or Timothy/Titus) to mean that the author wants us to read these three as the same (if only in the context used)?

(c) OK.? I suspect this is an exegetical issue.

Roger Hutchinson



-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
To: rhutchin at aol.com
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 8:06 am
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Jude 2

On Nov 28, 2008, at 7:52 AM, rhutchin at aol.com wrote:?

> In Jude 2, we read,?




> Could this have been written hUMIN ELEOS EIRHNH AGAPH PLHQUNQEIN and 
> be understood in the same way and have achieved the same effect??


> Is there some advantage to using KAI to stretch out the sentence?? 
> Would this allow the author to exaggerate (or emphasize) that which 
> he writes here because of the subject matter he deals with in the 
> letter as if he means that ELEOS EIRHNH AGAPH will be multiplied 
> TOIS KLHTOIS of v1 where it would not be multiplied in TIVES 
> ANQRWPOI of v4 thus distinguishing the one from the other??

(a) I think you mean PLHQUNQEIH: there is no form PLHQUNQEIN that I'm aware of. You seem to be confusing Nu and  "V" in transliteration.?

(b) Surely you're not intending to say that ELEOS, EIRHNH, and AGAPH are the same thing? Why should they NOT be linked by a conjunction? Whether it's "compassion and peace and love" or "compassion, peace, and love," it seems to me that ordinarily polysyndeton is far more common than asyndeton.?

(c) I don't see any relevance of this to the persons referred to in verse 4, who are described as outsiders infiltrating the congregation.?

Carl W. Conrad?

Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)?



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