[B-Greek] Phil 2:19 ELPIZW EN KURIWi
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed Nov 26 15:19:50 EST 2008
On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Kimmo Huovila wrote:
> Would you like to elaborate on the relationship between you reply
> now and what
> you wrote in 2001?
You do well to call that to my attention. I guess I would rather
retract what I wrote in January of 2001 as an excess of interpretative
zeal -- which is to say, I think I was wrong in equating this EN
KURIWi with the explicit sort of protasis as we find in James 4:14
ἐὰν ὁ κύριος θελήσῃ [EAN hO KURIOS QELHSHi]. Now
i don't think the usage of EN KURIWi should be pushed beyond Paul's
confidence in his relationship with Jesus. I would certainly
understand KURIOS in EN KURIWi as referring to Jesus Christ rather
than to God generally.
I now think that I was wrong in writing as I did in 2001. It wouldn't
surprise me to find that there are other things I've written in years
past that I would think differently about now.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> Carl Conrad:
>> I don't think that EN KURIWi is essentially different in
>> construction and
>> meaning from EN CRISTWi, but of course that is itself an item
>> subject to
>> considerable range of interpretation, although I think that the
>> single most
>> commonly held view of it is "in corporate union with Christ."
>> there has been considerable discussion on the B-Translation list
>> about the
>> proper understanding and translation of EN CRISTWi and whether,
>> despite its
>> long-standing traditional use in English, the phrase "in Christ"
>> communicates any clearly-understood meaning, insofar as it really
>> is a
>> unique phrase and not really parallel to any other common English
>> prepositional phrase with the preposition "in."
>> As for the phrase and context originally questioned here, my own
>> would be that EN KURIWi ought to be understood in an instrumental
>> sense and
>> that it is indeed equivalent to the phrases cited from 1 Cor 16:7
>> and 4:19,
>> i.e. that they are essentially equivalent to DEO VOLENTE or our own
>> nominative absolute expression, "God willing." It's just that
>> inasmuch as
>> for Paul it is the Lord Jesus Christ through whom the will of god
>> comes to fulfillment, he prefers to say "Christ willing" rather
>> than "God
> On tiistai 25 marraskuu 2008, Carl Conrad wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Kimmo Huovila wrote:
>>> It has been suggested that ELPIZW EN KURIWi IHSOU in Phil 2:19 means
>>> hope... if the Lord Jesus wills" (instead of the hope being in the
>>> Lord Jesus
>>> like in 1 Cor. 15:19). What support is there for this?
>>> Phil 2:19
>>> ELPIZW DE EN KURIWi IHSOU TIMOQEON TACEWS PEMYAI hUMIN...
>> In view of the fact that the phrase EN KURIWi appears 96x in the GNT
>> (95x within the greater Pauline corpus), I would think that
>> proposition difficult to maintain. See BDAG s.v. EN §4.c. esp. in
>> Paul. or Joh. usage, to designate a close personal relation in which
>> the referent of the ἐν-term is viewed as the controlling
>> under the control of, under the influence of, in close association
>> with ...
>> Carl W. Conrad
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