[B-Greek] bilingualism/'dead' languages (Was Re: Translating (Participles)
nyland at tsn.cc
Mon Nov 17 20:10:56 EST 2008
Nevertheless, I hope the references prove useful to someone, which is why I
posted them. Btw at least one of the references was about being bilingual in
one living and one not living language.
I was bilingual between a dead and living language. My first language was
Latin - I learnt to speak Latin before English, and although I had to
discontinue the Latin and learn more English after I went to school and the
teacher couldn't understand me, to this day I often take what someone means
in English in an obscure way, and I am constantly aware of the significant
difference between this and a native English speaker's grasp.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wilking" <jcwilking at yahoo.com>
To: "BGREEK" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; "Ann Nyland" <nyland at tsn.cc>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] bilingualism/'dead' languages (Was Re: Translating
> Charlotte and I were referring to bilingualism in which one of the
> languages is dead and one is living, as is the case with Carl. Carl had
> mentioned his views on understanding and translating Greek, and I wondered
> if there was anything different between being bilingual with two living
> languages and being bilingual with a dead language. Apparently there
> isn't anything going on.
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Ann Nyland <nyland at tsn.cc> wrote:
>> From: Ann Nyland <nyland at tsn.cc>
>> Subject: [B-Greek] bilingualism/'dead' languages (Was Re: Translating
>> To: "BGREEK" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 5:24 PM
>> >> I wrote to Charlotte Hoffman ... and she is unaware
>> of anything written
>> >> about bilingualism
>> > > that involves a dead language.
>> Goodness me!
>> See the below, none recent and thus surely harder to
>> overlook: this work on
>> bilingualism in first century Palestine (don't be
>> misled by the title),
>> G.H.R. Horsley, "The Fiction of Jewish Greek" in
>> New Documents Illustrating
>> Early Christianity, Vol. v. Macquarie, Sydney, 1989.
>> H. Solin, ANRW 11.29.2 (1983) 587-789.
>> For bilingualism; Syriac, Coptic, Punic and Celtic in the
>> Roman world, see
>> R. MacMullen, AJP 87 (1966) 1-17
>> And for 'dead" languages unrelated to 1st c
>> Palestine, see N.C. Dorian,
>> Language Death: The Life Cycle of a Scottish Gaelic
>> Dialect, Philadelphia,
>> Also, J. Whatmough, the Dialect of Ancient Gaul, Cambridge
>> (mass.) 1970.
>> For Greek and Nubian bilingualism, see J.H. Plumley (ed)
>> Nubian Studies.
>> Proceedings of the Symposium for Nubian Studies, Cambridge,
>> [Warminster, 1982), 103-7.
>> For indigenous languages in Roman Africa, ( and for
>> Aramaic, Syriac and
>> Greek in Roman Syria ) see F. Millar, JRS 58 (1968) 126-34
>> For bilingualism in Ptolemaic Egypt see W. Peremans's
>> works, inc. "Sur le
>> bilinguisme dans l"egypte des Lagides' in L.
>> Quaegebear (ed) Studia P.
>> Naster oblata, 11. Orientalia Antiqua (Orientalia
>> Lovaniensia Analecta 13;
>> Leuven 1982, 143-54.
>> There are others, but I can only type slowly with 2
>> Ann Nyland
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John McChesney-Young"
>> <panis at pacbell.net>
>> To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Translating (Participles)
>> > John Wilking wrote in part:
>> >> I wrote to Charlotte Hoffman ... and she is
>> unaware of anything written
>> >> about bilingualism
>> > > that involves a dead language. ...
>> > Perhaps of use would be this very interesting
>> collection of essays from
>> > 2002:
>> > Bilingualism in Ancient Society
>> > Language Contact and the Written Word
>> > Edited by J.N. Adams, M. Janse, and S. Swain
>> > http://www.oup.com/uk/catalogue/?ci=9780199245062
>> > ***
>> > Adams' _Bilingualism and the Latin Language_,
>> published the following
>> > year, has recently been reissued in paperback too:
>> > John
>> > ***
>> > John McChesney-Young ~ jmccyoung at gmail dot com ~
>> Berkeley, California
>> > http://jmccyoung.blogspot.com
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