[B-Greek] 1 Sam 2:26 AGAQON

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Sat Dec 27 15:52:12 EST 2008


On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:48 PM, timothy mcmahon wrote:

>
> Looks like TWB in the Hebrew is not a participle but a simple  
> adjective, in which case AGAQON in LXX is a woodenly accurate  
> rendering which makes difficult sense, if any, in the Greek. The  
> NETS translation cited above sounds like it's drawing on the Hebrew.
Meaning that NETS does not reflect the Greek?
Al
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>>   1. 1 Sam 2:26 AGAQON (Kenneth Litwak)
>>   2. Re: 1 Sam 2:26 AGAQON (Albert Pietersma)
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>> From: Kenneth Litwak <javajedi2 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [B-Greek] 1 Sam 2:26 AGAQON
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>>  I'm looking at 1 Sam 2:26 in both Hebrew and Greek.  Part of the  
>> Greek says SAMUHL EPOREUETO KAI EMEGALUNETO KAI AGAQON KAI META  
>> KURIOU KAI META ANQRWPWN, which seems to mean something like  
>> "Samuel was going and was growing also good both with the Lord and  
>> with people.  However AGAQON translates a Hebrew participle and  
>> therefore it seems that this might not be what is meant. I'm  
>> pondering whether to try to force the Greek to have a meaning  
>> similar to the Hebrew (since this part of the LXX is fairly  
>> "literal" in its rendering of the Hebrew text as opposed to, say,  
>> Isaiah or Micah) or to try to come up with a reasonable translation  
>> of the Greek on its own, supposing that most who used the OG did  
>> not know the underlying Hebrew.  Any comments?
>>
>> Ken
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>> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:12:02 -0500
>> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Sam 2:26 AGAQON
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>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:51 AM, Kenneth Litwak wrote:
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>>> I'm looking at 1 Sam 2:26 in both Hebrew and Greek.  Part of the
>>> Greek says SAMUHL EPOREUETO KAI EMEGALUNETO KAI AGAQON KAI META
>>> KURIOU KAI META ANQRWPWN, which seems to mean something like "Samuel
>>> was going and was growing also good both with the Lord and with
>>> people.  However AGAQON translates a Hebrew participle and therefore
>>> it seems that this might not be what is meant. I'm pondering whether
>>> to try to force the Greek to have a meaning similar to the Hebrew
>>> (since this part of the LXX is fairly "literal" in its rendering of
>>> the Hebrew text as opposed to, say, Isaiah or Micah) or to try to
>>> come up with a reasonable translation of the Greek on its own,
>>> supposing that most who used the OG did not know the underlying
>>> Hebrew.  Any comments?
>> "Literal" or not, the Greek means what a speaker of Greek would take
>> it to mean. Put differently, a translation equivalent does not take  
>> on
>> an 'usual' sense unless that sense can be shown to be part of the
>> living language. NETS (Bernard Taylor) translates the verse as
>> follows: "And the boy Samouel kept going and became great and was in
>> favor with the Lord and with people."
>> Al
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>>> Ken
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