[B-Greek] Re: LXX: access to "simple" version
Curtis Hinson
curtis at curtishinson.com
Tue Dec 16 13:28:22 EST 2008
My website has a simple online LXX available (along with some other
versions): http://curtishinson.com
You can get that text for yourself, but it doesn't have the deuterocanon
sadly.
Bless the Name
Curtis Hinson
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> 3. Re: Clement Paidagogos quote needed (George F Somsel)
> 4. Re: LXX question (Bert de Haan)
> 5. Re: LXX question (George F Somsel)
> 6. The Hopperizer: now works with Diogenes! (Louis Sorenson)
> 7. LXX: access to "simple" version (Stephen Baldwin)
> 8. used of hemas (lalboy haokip)
> 9. Re: used of hemas (Carl Conrad)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:44:34 -0800
> From: bwmeyers at toast.net
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> I would appreciate it if any off-list replies to Derek could also be sent
> my direction!
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> Thanks.
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> Bob Meyers
> http://bwmministries.com
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> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:06:28 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>
> >I've often heard that the LXX was the "official" Old Testament of both
> Jews and Christians around the time of Jesus. I'm wondering what the actual
> evidence for this is? Clearly it was widely used, and was the text used when
> the NT authors quoted the OT, but does it follow that there was no Hebrew
> Bibles, and that no Jew could read Hebrew at the time? Does it follow that
> Jesus could not read Hebrew and was educated in Greek?
> >
> >I've only been able to find texts that make this above claim for the LXX,
> but don't give any detail to back it up. So I'm hoping someone here can help
> me fill in the details, or point me to a good book that can.
> >
> >thanks,
> >Derek Flood
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:55:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
> To: bwmeyers at toast.net, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> I think Randall's reply is about all that really needs to be said regarding
> the matter.? There is?discussion regarding the possible use of Hebrew at the
> time and not simply Aramaic, but to say that the Jews of the time knew
> only?Greek as opposed to their ancestral tongue is flatly wrong.? It may
> have been true for some of the Diaspora, but it was not true in their native
> land.
> ?george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> ? search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
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> From: "bwmeyers at toast.net" <bwmeyers at toast.net>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:44:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
>
> I would appreciate it if any off-list replies to Derek could also be sent
> my direction!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Meyers
> http://bwmministries.com
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:06:28 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>
> >I've often heard that the LXX was the "official" Old Testament of both
> Jews and Christians around the time of Jesus. I'm wondering what the actual
> evidence for this is? Clearly it was widely used, and was the text used when
> the NT authors quoted the OT, but does it follow that there was no Hebrew
> Bibles, and that no Jew could read Hebrew at the time? Does it follow that
> Jesus could not read Hebrew and was educated in Greek?
> >
> >I've only been able to find texts that make this above claim for the LXX,
> but don't give any detail to back it up. So I'm hoping someone here can help
> me fill in the details, or point me to a good book that can.
> >
> >thanks,
> >Derek Flood
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >? ? ?
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> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:27:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Clement Paidagogos quote needed
> To: Wieland Willker <wie at uni-bremen.de>, B-Greek
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> According to my copy there are not 15 chapters in Book II?of?Paedagogus.
> ?george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> ? search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wieland Willker <wie at uni-bremen.de>
> To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:15:18 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Clement Paidagogos quote needed
>
> Perhaps someone has this handy?
>
> Clement of Alexandria "Paidagogos"
>
> I need the Greek of book 2 ch. 15, paragraph 3, where he writes about the
> honeycomb.
>
> Best wishes
> ? ? Wieland
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> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:55:51 -0800
> From: "Bert de Haan" <dehaanaf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
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> You have to like his optimism. He doesn't say that Hebrew is not as
> hard as Greek but:
>
> Randall Buth Wrote:
>
> >You may also find that learning Hebrew to a fluent
> > level is even easier than Greek, so don't stop with Greek.
> >
> > blessings
> > Randall Buth
>
> BTW. a former pastor of mine said that at times he would read Hebrew
> and forget he was reading Hebrew. Something he couldn't do with
> Greek.
>
> Bert de Haan.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
> To: Bert de Haan <dehaanaf at gmail.com>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> Yes, sometimes I read?Hebrew and think I'm reading Swahili.? Just kidding.?
> I can?believe being able to?read a language without any?extraordinary effort
> -- indeed, virtually as easily as reading one's native language.? I cannot,
> however, believe that one can read any language without being aware that he
> is reading that particular language.?
> ?george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> ? search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bert de Haan <dehaanaf at gmail.com>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:55:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] LXX question
>
> You have to like his optimism.? He doesn't say that Hebrew is not as
> hard as Greek but:
>
> Randall Buth Wrote:
>
> >You may also find that learning Hebrew to a fluent
> > level is even easier than Greek, so don't stop with Greek.
> >
> > blessings
> > Randall Buth
>
> BTW. a former pastor of mine said that at times he would read Hebrew
> and forget he was reading Hebrew.? Something he couldn't do with
> Greek.
>
> Bert de Haan.
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> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:05:03 -0600
> From: Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] The Hopperizer: now works with Diogenes!
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> This is an update to the recent announcement of the Hopperizer, a Greek
> text to LSJ lexicon linker and betacode/unicode converter.
>
> Tom at KataBiblon.com has now given online users of the Hopperizer the
> option of using either Perseus' LSJ lexicon OR Diogenes' LSJ lexicon.
> In order to use Diogenes, one must have Diogenes installed on their
> local computer and started (minimized). Diogenes is normally run from a
> machine's localhost account on port 8888. But, sometimes, if that port
> was already taken, Diogenes/localhost will run on port 8889.
>
> The
> LSJ lexicon for Diogenes uses Perseus' source code. Perseus has more
> links to other texts, but even with its updated servers, experiences
> overload when all those new Greekophiles out there start doing their
> homework. So if you cannot access Perseus quickly, it's best to use
> Diogenes rather than sit and wait for a response.
>
> Many thanks to
> Peter Heslin who has given us the querystrings to retrieve this
> information from Diogenes, and for his many years spent getting
> Diogenes as a tested, freely available and robust application. Diogenes
> can be downloaded from
> http://www.dur.ac.uk/p.j.heslin/Software/Diogenes/download.php.
>
> The Hopperizer may still have a few bugs in regards to Diogenes. If you
> discover any issues or bugs, drop Tom a note at mailto://
> tom at katabiblon.com and let him know what your issue is.
>
> Louis Sorenson
> (A Hopperizer beta tester and enthusiast)
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> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:45:46 +0000
> From: Stephen Baldwin <stbaldwi at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] LXX: access to "simple" version
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> Ladies and Gentlemen:
> An elementary question.
> Where is there [is there?] a simple on-line or downloadable version of the
> LXX that I can read and copy bits from?
> I don't need any elaborate parsing tools or links -- in fact these hinder
> the exercise. Just the LXX in a reasonable copyable font would be marvelous.
> I've looked at e.g. http://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/Texts.htm but to be
> honest, I can't make head-nor-tail to these downloads, and they tend to
> produce gibberish on my PC.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Yuletide greetings to you all, and my grateful thanks to those who run this
> forum, and those who have patiently answered my simple questions...
>
> Rgds
> Steve Baldwin
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> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:17:33 +0530 (IST)
> From: lalboy haokip <lalboyh at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] used of hemas
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> The used of hemas (personal pronoun Accusative Singular) in Matt 17:4 is
> translated as Dative. it is translated as for us, instead of
> translating?us?why this?accusative form?is translated as dative?
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:01:19 -0500
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] used of hemas
> To: lalboyh at yahoo.com
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:47 PM, lalboy haokip wrote:
>
> > The used of hemas (personal pronoun Accusative Singular) in Matt
> > 17:4 is translated as Dative. it is translated as for us, instead of
> > translating us why this accusative form is translated as dative?
>
> Text: Matt. 17:4 ?????????? ?? ? ??????
> ????? ?? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????
> ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??????, ??????
> ??? ????? ??????, ??? ???? ???
> ?????? ???? ??? ???? ????. [APOKRIQEIS DE
> hO PETROS EIPEN TWi IHSOU: KURIE, KALON ESTIN hHMAS hWDE EINAI, POIHSW
> hWDE TREIS SKHNAS, SOI MIAN KAI MWUSEI MIAN KAI HLIAi MIAN]
>
> You're looking at the English translation as if it were a literal
> translation of the Greek, which it isn't. hHMAS is the subject of hWDE
> EINAI, "us to be here" or "that we be here"; that whole infinitive
> phrase hHMAS hWDE EINAI is the subject of the KALON ESTIN. You must
> not imagine that any English translation necessarily reproduces the
> structure of the Greek; "It is good for us to be here" is the most
> normal way to express in English the content of the Greek -- but it is
> certainly NOT the only way; the translator could have written, "It is
> good that we be here" or "Our being here is a good thing." hHMAS is
> accusative because the subject of an infinitive is normally
> accusative, but do not suppose that the English translator is confused
> about what the Greek says or means.\
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
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