[B-Greek] Verbal Genitive 1 Peter 1:2
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Dec 4 19:16:55 EST 2008
On Dec 4, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Norman Wood wrote:
> Hi George and Carl,
> can I run this past you then to see if I have really understood
> this. The two ideas that might be present are
> 1. the chosen whom the Spirit consecrates to obedience
> (subjective genitive)
> 2.those chosen by consecrating their spirit to obedience
> (objective genitive)
That still seems more complicated than it ought to be:
ἐν ἁγιασμῷ πνεύματος [EN hAGIASMWi PNEUMATOS}
(a) subjective genitive: "by means of the Spirit's sanctifying (of
you, the addressees)" -- In this instance hAGIASMOS is a verbal noun
standing, let us say, for an infinitive such as TO hAGIAZEIN in which
case PNEUMA as God's Spirit would be the subject of the infinitive
(b) objective genitive: "by means of the sanctifying of (your) spirit"
-- In this instance hAGIASMOS is a verbal noun standing for an
infinitive such as TO hAGIAZEIN with PNEUMA being the object of the
infinitive "to sanctify spirit" -- "spirit" in that case would have to
be the believer's spirit, not God's Spirit.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George F Somsel
> To: Norman Wood ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Verbal Genitive 1 Peter 1:2
>
>
> EN hAGIASMWi is a preposition with (or which takes) a dative. When
> I see EN + dative one of the things I consider is instrument or
> means. We tend to see PNEUMA in the NT and immediately think "Holy
> Spirit" though this may not always be the case. The genitive is
> just a genitive. It is we who distinguish various flavors (probably
> "flavours" to you). The context must be considered. For example,
> in Rom 8.16 Paul speaks of the Spirit bearing witness with our
> spirit. Obviously, the second "spirit" does not reference the Holy
> Spirit. I would therefore be aware of the context before deciding
> which is the usage. It could be consecration by the Spirit or it
> could be consecration of the [our] spirit. HINT: Would it be
> consecration by one's own spirit? Remember that the prepositional
> phrase most likely signifies means or instrument.
>
> Now, regarding tense. hAGIASMWi isn't even a participle. It is a
> noun -- hAGIASMOS, -OU, hO. It therefore has no tense.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
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>
> - Jan Hus
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Norman Wood <nandk.wood at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:21:40 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Verbal Genitive 1 Peter 1:2
>
> Hi,
>
> In 1 Peter 1:2 the phrase EN hAGIASMWi PVEUMATOS is described by J.
> Ramsey Michaels as a subjective genitive (WBC pg 11). However he
> renders it 'consecrated by the Spirit'. This makes ' by the Spirit'
> an adverbial phrase and the Spirit is then not the subject of the
> verb consecrate. Am I right in thinking that 'what the spirit
> consecrates' is how a subjective genitive in this case might be
> rendered?
>
> Also how does one determine the tense of the verb in a verbal
> genitive? In the rendering 'consecrated by the Spirit' hAGIAZW has
> been rendered as a past tense, however the examples in Wallace GGBB
> pg 114 translate as both past and present . Are there any guidelines
> for this?
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Norman Wood
>
> Scotland
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Ret)
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