[B-Greek] Luke 2:11 and Cristoj

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 20 07:36:21 EDT 2008


I would take both KURIOS and XRISTOS as nouns with XRISTOS being a proper noun.  This is not unusual in the NT.  Lk does it in Lk 24.3
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εὗρον τὸ σῶμα τοῦ κυρίουἸησοῦ. 
hEURON TO SWMA TOU KURIOU IHSOU
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Also see Acts 15.11
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Similarly Paul does it, e.g. in Rom 10.9
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ὅτι ἐὰν ὁμολογήσῃς ἐν τῷ στόματί σου κύριονἸησοῦν 
hOTI EAN hOMOLOGHSHiS EN TWi STOMATI SOU KURION IHSOUN
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We also find this in James 1.1
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Ἰάκωβος θεοῦ καὶ κυρίουἸησοῦΧριστοῦ δοῦλος 
IAKWBOS QEOU KAI KURIOU IHSOU XRISTOU DOULOS
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In the Apocalypse we find such a construction with reference to God
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Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ ἄλφα καὶ τὸ ὦ, λέγει κύριοςὁ θεός 
"EGW EIMI TO ALFA KAI TO W", LEGEI KURIOS hO QEOS.
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 george
gfsomsel.


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----- Original Message ----
From: Kenneth Litwak <javajedi2 at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:58:54 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Luke 2:11 and Cristoj

  In Luke 2:11, we read SWTHR (OS ESTIN CRISTOS KURIOS.  BDAG says that cristos is an adjective in some texts, including the LXX, but only a noun "in our lit." (which makes me wonder what literature is encompassed by "our" but I digress).  I am wondering about how this should be translated.  Is there any established principle in Greek grammar that would lead one to try to take cristos as a noun or an adjective?  Would it be customary to see two titles in a row like this, Messiah Lord, wiht no articles?  I know that a noun can be definite without an article in Greek but I don't see a reason that this could not be "a savior who is the Messiah, the Lord" o "a savior who is the anointed Lord" among other choices.  What rule would lead to the typical translation, "Christ the Lord," leaving aside the issue that no first-century person would have understood Cristos as "Christ."  Thanks.

Ken Litwak    


      
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