[B-Greek] A new stab at voice
kimmo.huovila at helsinki.fi
Thu Oct 18 11:33:54 EDT 2007
On Thursday 18 October 2007, Iver Larsen wrote:
> A few comments below from Iver:
<Snipped, good stuff>
> Semantically it is divalent, with two arguments in
> its case frame, agent and patient. In all examples in the NT, agent is
different from patient, which
> means that it cannot be interpreted as semantically middle.
I think this is too narrow a definition of the middle. This makes it just a
reflexive. I think middles are used in a variety of functions in different
languages of the world. In my understanding Suzanne Kemmer's study points in
the same direction.
> There is one other middle form in the NT:
> Act 22:16 ANASTAS BAPTISAI KAI APOLOUSAI TAS hAMARTIAS SOU
> The middle may be used because it is an imperative and because it is
coordinated with another middle
> verb. The focus is on the active role of the patient in getting this event
accomplished, in English:
> Get up and get baptized and get your sins washed away. It does NOT mean: Get
up and baptize
Agreed. The middle may be used to emphasize the active role of the one getting
Thank you, Iver, for jumping in the conversation. It seems to me that we (me,
Iver, and Carl) pretty much agree on the Greek part, but we define the
semantics of voice differently (our meta-language is different). It seems
that Iver is more restrictive on middle semantics than I and Carl is more
restrictive on passive semantics than I. I seem to allow for most latitude in
semantics among us three.
Perhaps we need a discussion of the meta-language?
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