[B-Greek] John 4:28. Aorist and present verbs

Webb webb at selftest.net
Fri May 11 12:42:36 EDT 2007


I wouldn't explain the historical present a literary device--in the first
instance, it's a totally normal and everyday way of composing oral narration
in many languages for the purposes of bringing in vividness and the sense of
time in process to the telling and experiencing of the story. The more
common and ordinary a usage is, the less natural it is to explain that usage
as an exception to the "rule". It's one thing to decide pragmatically how
you're going to teach a language (e.g. by giving the students a set of
rules); it's another to create a linguistic analysis that makes equally good
sense of the "rules" and their supposed "exceptions".

Webb Mealy

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Subject: [B-Greek] John 4:28. Aorist and present verbs

>Hey Anthony, I'm thinking this may be a historical present.
>Kelton Graham
>From: "Anthony" <anthony.rimell at orcon.net.nz>
>> At the end of her discourse with Jesus, the Samaritan woman AFHKEN
>> (aorist) her pitcher, APHLQEN (aorist) into the city and LEGEI (present)
>> to the people.
>> The aorists are straightforward, from an aspect point of view, but why
the
>> present instead of an imperfect? To fit into the narrative in an
>> Enlgishing way, I've translated it, "The woman let go of her pitcher,
went
>> back into the town, and began to say to the people". I see the NIV simply
>> translates LEGEI as "said". Am I on track here?
>> Anthony Rimell

These are a literary phenomenon where something that is 'aoristic'
a.k.a. perfective within the narrative context is presented
'open-ended-ly', even though it was not open-ended. Note that this
continues a phenonmenon is the preceding verse 4:25 LEGEI and 4:26
LEGEI, all completed events within the story-flow.

This phenomenon is one of the Achilles' heels of the 'aspect-only'
approach to the Greek verbs. How so? Because this verb usage is a
purposeful inversion of norms for literary effect. The narrator talks
about a completed event within a chain of completed events as though
it were on-going. [[ Incidentally, the same thing would be true if the
past imperfective was used ELEGE. That would have been
backgrounding-demoting the statements for a later cresendo effect
within the overall dialogue. ]] That means that the Greeks were
playing with their tense-aspect system for literary effect. And that
means that the millenia-old, native, internal-to-the-users view of
Greek verbs as having 'time' within their verbs is on target. The view
that Greek verbs include time in the indicative tenses has always
called these narrative present tenses a special literary use, an
inversion of its normal reference for literary effect.  Some persons
in the last few decades have pointed to this literary explanation of a
present tense for a past tense as a reason for abandoning a view that
Greek indicatives have tense. But such an explanation becomes a
boomerang by returning to where the context undermines the aspect-only
claim, too.
Bottom-line:
This is a literary effect. These are completed past events within
their narrative context that are being presented to the audience as
'open-ended' AND as 'present' -- both the tense and the aspect are
being used for literary effect.

Translation is a different issue from understanding the Greek. You may
translate as befits the target language. The NIV 'said' is good
English but loses the literary play. 'began to say' is not the intent
of the Greek, it could work in English for one of the LEGEI-events but
is adding a specification. That is why the proverb says that
translators are traitors. There is no exact translation here that
captures what the Greek is doing. That is why people read literature
in the original language.

The NIV has translated according to English norms.

ERRWSQE  (be well)

Randall Buth
ybitan at mscc.huji.ac.il
randallbuth at gmail.com
www.biblicalulpan.org
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