[B-Greek] 2 Samuel 1.1 TUPTWN
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Fri Mar 30 20:24:32 EST 2007
On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Mitch Larramore wrote:
> KAI EGENETO META TO APOQANEIN SAOUL KAI DAUID
> ANESTREYE TUPTWN TON AMALHK KAI EKAQISE DAUID EN
> SIKELAG hHMERAS DUO
>
> 2 questions on this.
>
> First, why is TUPTWN a Present participle? Had it been
> placed before ANESTREYE would that of mattered?
It would have made translationese Greek into compositional Greek.
> I
> would have expected an Aorist participle to express
> the idea that AFTER striking Amalek, he returned.
That would have made the participle into a circumstantial participle,
and, yes, that would likely have been an aorist participle: "After he
struck Amalek, he returned . . . "
> My
> interlinear has "David returned from striking Amalek."
> This idea of "from" is a new one for me.
The "from" is a nod to Hebrew, which has the preposition M- ("from")
prefixed to the infinitive (construct), which functions as a verbal
noun; hence "from striking" (a gerund in English). Greek participles
cannot be used as gerunds, though the translator theoretically could
have used an infinitive instead, e.g. APO TOU TUPEIN . . . But rather
than adding a morpheme to what the Hebrew has, i.e. (APO) *TOU* for M-
, he decides to subtract one from the Hebrew, namely, M- "from".
Trouble is that he ends up with translationese all the same! TUPTWN
looks like a so-called supplementary participle (e.g. EPAUSATO LALWN),
but it can't be a sup. p. since ANASTREFW does not take a
supplementary participle. And all that trouble, because our translator
seemingly doesn't want to changed the word order of his source text!
:-)
What to do in a Greek-English interlinear? Take one's cue from the
Hebrew (the original) and fudge the Greek (the "interlinear"
translation).
> Second, there seems to be a lot of KAI's used in the
> LXX where they don't seem overly needed. Is this
> trying to capture something in the underlying Hebrew?
It is indeed. Since the translator insists on representing Hebrew
WYHY W (and x happened and) literally and quantitative, he ends up with
another translationese item, namely, KAI EGENETO KAI, formally
producing two coordinate clauses.
Al
>
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