[B-Greek] Papias 3:3-4

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Mar 21 13:11:46 EST 2007


On Mar 21, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:

> Pap. 3:3 Οὐκ ὀκνήσω δέ σοι καὶ ὅσα
> ποτὲ παρὰ τῶν πρεσβυτέρων καλῶς
> ἔμαθον καὶ καλῶς ἐμνημόνευσα,
> συγκατατάξαι [4] ταῖς ἑρμηνείαις,
> διαβεβαιούμενος ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν
> ἀλήθειαν. οὐ γὰρ τοῖς τὰ πολλὰ
> λέγουσιν ἔχαιρον ὥσπερ οἱ πολλοί,
> ἀλλὰ τοῖς τἀληθῆ διδάσκουσιν,
> οὐδὲ τοῖς τὰς ἀλλοτρίας ἐντολὰς
> μνημονεύουσιν, ἀλλὰ τοῖς τὰς παρὰ
> τοῦ κυρίου τῇ πίστει δεδομένας
> καὶ ἀπ᾿ αὐτῆς παραγινομένας τῆς
> ἀληθείας.  4 εἰ δέ που καὶ
> παρηκολουθηκῶς τις τοῖς
> πρεσβυτέροις ἔλθοι, τοὺς τῶν
> πρεσβυτέρων ἀνέκρινον λόγους· τί
> Ἀνδρέας ἢ τί Πέτρος εἶπεν ἢ τί
> Φίλιππος ἢ τί Θωμᾶς ἢ Ἰάκωβος ἢ
> τί Ἰωάννης ἢ Ματθαῖος ἢ τις ἕτερος
> τῶν τοῦ κυρίου μαθητῶν, ἅ τε
> Ἀριστίων καὶ ὁ πρεσβύτερος
> Ἰωάννης, οἱ τοῦ κυρίου μαθηταί,
> λέγουσιν. οὐ γὰρ τὰ ἐκ τῶν βιβλίων
> τοσοῦτόν με ὠφελεῖν ὑπελάμβανον,
> ὅσον τὰ παρὰ ζώσης φωνῆς καὶ
> μενούσης.
>
> PAP. 3:3 OUK OKNHSW DE SOI KAI hOSA POTE PARA TWN PRESBUTERWN KALWS
> EMAQON KAI KALWS EMNHMONEUSA, SUGKATATAXAI [4] TAIS hERMHNEIAIS,
> DIABEBAIOUMENOS hUPER AUTWN ALHQEIAN. OU GAR TOIS TA POLLA LEGOUSIN
> ECAIRON hWSPER hOI POLLOI, ALLA TOIS TALHQH DIDASKOUSIN, OUDE TOIS
> TAS ALLOTRIAS ENTOLAS MNHMONEUOUSIN, ALLA TOIS TAS PARA TOU KURIOU
> THi PISTEI DEDOMENAS KAI AP' AUTHS PARAGINOMENAS THS ALHQEIAS.  4 EI
> DE POU KAI PARHKOLOUQHKWS TIS TOIS PRESBUTEROIS ELQOI, TOUS TWN
> PRESBUTERWN ANEKRINON LOGOUS: TI ANDREAS H TI PETROS EIPEN H TI
> FILIPPOS H TI QWMAS H IAKWBOS H TI IWANNHS H MATQAIOS H TIS hETEROS
> TWN TOU KURIOU MAQHTWN, hA TE ARISTIWN KAI hO PRESBUTEROS IWANNHS,
> hOI TOU KURIOU MAQHTAI, LEGOUSIN. OU GAR TA EK TWN BIBLIWN TOSOUTON
> ME WFELEIN hUPELAMBANON, hOSON TA PARA ZWSHS FWNHS KAI MENOUSHS.
>
> A text from Papias often cited in Biblical Studies. The question, how
> many groups of people does Papias refer to in this passage. Richard
> Bauckham [1] thinks we have four groups. He thinks that TWN
> PRESBUTERWN refers to a different group than ANDREAS ...
> PETROS ...  . To achieve this he is required to amend the text by
> inserting inferential additions. I am not particularly interested in
> his emendation. What conclusion should we draw based on the text as
> it stands concerning the group referred to by TWN PRESBUTERWN?
>
> Pap 3:4 ... TOUS TWN PRESBUTERWN ANEKRINON LOGOUS: TI ANDREAS H TI
> PETROS EIPEN ...
>
> Papias states that he inquired concerning TOUS TWN PRESBUTERWN LOGOUS
> and then immediately follows with  TI ANDREAS H TI PETROS EIPEN. How
> can we avoid the conclusion that TI PETROS EIPEN is a subset of of
> TOUS TWN PRESBUTERWN LOGOUS? If TI PETROS EIPEN is a subset of TOUS
> TWN PRESBUTERWN LOGOUS then would we not conclude that PETROS is a
> memeber TWN PRESBUTERWN?

That would certainly be my understanding (that PETROS must be one of  
the PRESBUTEROI referred to immediately before).
>
> [1]  Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as
> Eyewitness Testimony. Grand Rapids and Cambridge: Eerdmans, 2006
>
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Carl W. Conrad
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