[B-Greek] 2 Thess. 2:6-7--two proposals
Harold Holmyard
hholmyard at ont.com
Fri Mar 2 16:35:25 EST 2007
Iver Larsen wrote:
>
> In 2 Th 2:7 hO KATECWN ARTI hEWS EK MESOU GENHTAI
>
> The subject and Patient is hO KATECWN. This "restrainer" will change from the state of being in the
> midst (of the evil world) to a state of being removed to somewhere else not specified. Nor is it
> specified who does the removing, but from the broader Biblical context we can deduce who the Agent
> is, and it is not hO KATECWN. As far as translation goes, either "has gone" or "is removed" is
> acceptable to me, but I wouldn't vote for any of the two original suggestions by Webb. The first one
> is confusing, and the second one is wrong because of the mistaken addition of "among us".
>
HH: I am not sure that the agent is not the restrainer. You seem to
argue that the the subject of GINOMAI cannot be the actor, but I do not
understand that to be the case. Even if we limit the idea to "be out of
the way," so that the verb is neutral, it still seems that the
restrainer could be the subject: The one restraining will do so until he
is out of the way." But my reading of the lexicons suggests that the
subject could clearly be the actor. LSJ under the verb gives an example
where GENOU PROS TINA means to "go to so-and-so." That seems
significant in that the subject "goes."
Under MESOS in LSJ there is the example of EN MESWi EINAI TOU SUMMEIXEI
as "to stand in the way of." If EINAI can imply "to be in the midst to
oppose," it seems that GINOMAI with EK MESOU could imply "to go out of
the midst," or "to get out of the way." Carl has already cited BAGD or
BADG, where a meaning suggested for GINOMAI EK MESOU in 2 Thess 2:7 is
"leave the scene." That is equivalent to "get out of the way." I think
the latter is better, but the passive idea of "be removed," also cited
in the lexicon by Carl," remains a possibility too.
GINOMAI sometimes takes the translation "comes." BAGD gives the example
where a voice FWNH EGENETO EK TWN OURANWN implies that a voice sounded
forth from heaven.
KJV Mark 1:11 And there CAME a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my
beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
My experience is that verbs which can be translated as "come" can often
also be translated as "go," as the lexicon suggests GINOMAI can be
understood.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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