[B-Greek] Heb 10:29 who is he..?
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Fri Nov 18 01:43:21 EST 2005
Hi all. Regarding below, I just did a search in archives, and found previous
posts about question 2 below. So if there is nothing further to add, maybe
focus on Q1.
FYI Previous posts were under subject of "Hebrews 10:29" and here is my
summary of the interaction:
however, TON hUION does not seem to be
the subject of the sentence and the hWi is
semantically subordinate to/nested within a different participial phrase.
for these reasons, i personally think it is unlikely that TON hUION is the
antecedent to hWi. while as carl said that it is not impossible, i cannot
see a reason that would support/necessitate this reading (other than
imposing certain theologies on the text) [Also has a good diagramming of the
[Carl W. Conrad:]
All of which is to say: it's a matter of reading the text in context
rather than of parsing the Greek; the subject of hHGIASQH is NOT
spelled out here but implicit. Guessing at the subject of hHGIASQH is
not a matter of understanding the Greek as Greek.
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> Subject: [B-Greek] Heb 10:29 who is he..?
> Heb 10:29
> POSW DOKEITE CEIRONOS AXIWQHSETAI TIMWRIAS hO TON hUION TOU
> QEOU KATAPATHSAS KAI TO hAIMA THS DIAQHKHS KOINON hHGHSAMENOS
> EN hW hHGIASQH KAI TO PNEUMA THS CARITOS ENUBRISAS
> I have questions about 10:29, and who it is talking about.
> 1. Regarding the main subject of AXIWQHSETAI (3rd pers sg
> Future Passive), I think there are two possibilities. Either
> it is speaking hypothetically of what will be the situation
> of 'one of us' (10:26) should we end up doing the things
> spoken of; or it could be talking about those real existing
> people who have already done this. Is there anything in the
> Greek usage that would indicate one or the other, or is it
> ambiguous based on grammar alone, and requires
> interpretation? For example, can the future be used in this
> hypothetical way, or should some kind of subjunctive be used?
> Does it make any difference that it is used with DOKEW?
> 2. Regarding the subject of hHGIASQH, again, there are two
> possibilities. The more natural would seem to be the same as
> in 1. above. Another alternative would be to refer to Christ
> (either from TON hUION or from wider context). Does the
> grammar *necessitate* either, or is again a question of
> interpretation? (Admittedly I think a good case would be
> required to go with the latter, but is it *possible* grammatically?)
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