[B-Greek] John 8:58 and Gen 17:1 (LXX)
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Sat Feb 19 14:38:42 EST 2005
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:09:29 -0500 Mike Sangrey
<MSangrey at BlueFeltHat.org> writes:
> On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 16:46 -0500, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> > At 11:11 AM -0800 2/18/05, Doug Hoxworth wrote:
> > ><doug>
> > >i didn't really think it was. i only noted it because
> > >Gen 17.1 had ABRAM while John 8 had ABRAAM. and i
> > >noticed that here was his name change. so i thought it
> > >may be a bit significant though not central.
> > >
> > Yes, and evidently Mike Sangrey felt it was very important,
> inasmuch as he
> > put a special twist of interpretation on PRIN ABRAAM GENESQAI as
> > Abram was born as/became Abraham." That's very clever indeed, but
> I really
> > don't find it any more convincing than the linkage generally
> between Gen 17
> > and Jn 8.
> Isn't PRIN ABRAAM GENESQAI a weird way of saying in Greek what we
> when we say, "Before Abraham was born"?
> I just spent some time going through L&N; and under the semantic
> of "birth, Procreation (23.46-23.60)" they don't list GINOMAI. So,
> not a common word for referring to 'birth'. That is NOT to imply
> GINOMAI was not closely associated with birth, but when it was used
> birth the emphasis was on where the person came from and not just a
> statement of the fact of birth (cf Gal. 4:4 ECAPESTEILEN hO QEOS
> hUION AUTOU, GENOMENON EK GUNAIKOS, GENOMENON hUPO NOMON).
I think you would find semantic domain 13.80 in L & N more to the point.
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