[B-Greek] [G-Greek] Luke 19:13
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Sep 9 08:51:34 EDT 2004
At 8:25 AM -0400 9/9/04, (Remington Mandel) Remington186 at aol.com wrote:
>Steven Lo Vullo slovullo at mac.com
>Wed Sep 8 21:17:36 EDT 2004
>Steven wrote,
>On Sep 8, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>At 6:40 PM -0500 9/8/04, Steven Lo Vullo wrote:
>>> On Sep 8, 2004, at 8:34 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>>>> At 2:52 PM +0200 9/8/04, Wieland Willker wrote:
>>>>> Luke 19:13 KALESAS DE DEKA DOULOUS EAUTOU EDWKEN AUTOIS DEKA MNAS >>>>
>KAI EIPEN PROS AUTOUS PRAGMATEUSASQE EN hW ERCOMAI. Some MSS read >>>>here the
>infinitive PRAGMATEUSASQAI, which makes it indirect speech, but is this >>>>
>consistent with ERCOMAI?
>>>> Wieland, I rather think that it is simply a matter of spelling--it's not
>really an aorist middle >>>infinitive; remember that AI and E were pronounced
>the same. This is a fairly common >>>orthographical "error" that I've found
>very, very common in my work in the Codex Bezae text >>>of GMk.
>>> Carl, if we did have the infinitive in indirect speech here, would that
>require ERCOMAI to be >>third person (ERCETAI)? It seems to me it would,
>but I'm
>not totally sure.
>>Yes, I think it probably would; to me that's the more reason to think that
>PRAGMATEUSASQAI >is not an aorist infinitive but a "homonym" for
>PRAGMATEUSASQE.
>
>Yes, that would certainly seem to lend weight to your suggestion. And it also
>answers Wieland's question about whether an infinitive in indirect speech
>here would be consistent with the first person ERCOMAI. I don't think it
>would.
>Steven Lo Vullo
>Madison, WI
>
>Remington writes,
>Gentlemen,
>I didn't find any other strings on this.
>The TR and M [supposedly the same] have here, rather than EV hOi ERCOMAI, EWS
> ERCOMAI. Corresponding to Jerome, dum venio, written before or the same time
>as A and B and perhaps after A. Both Jerome and the TR can easily translate
>"until I am returning." Indicative present middle. It seems rather
>difficult to
>make of EN hOi, until. John 21:22 has this same prepositional phrase, EWS
>ERCOMAI, and here also I see no need to render it other than, "until I am
>returning." And Jerome has here the easily recognized, donec, until.
>1 Tim 4:13 is the only other instance of EWS ERCOMAI and the sense is
>certainly, "Until I am returning"
This is not the forum for textual criticism as such, but with regard to
this particular passage I would suppose that the hEWS ERCOMAI in TR and MT
is likely a scribal correction of an earlier relatively anomalous EN hWi
ERCOMAI. Also I'd rather doubt the progressive understanding of ERCOMAI in
this context as "until I AM coming"--I think it points to the future event;
the present indicative is pretty flexible in its range; I think the sense
is "until I (do) come."
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
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