[B-Greek] Revelation 7:10
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Fri Sep 3 12:20:41 EDT 2004
I think that we have to compare this sentence in which God and the Lamb are
honored with other sentences of this kind.
In verse 12 we have e.g.
AMHN, hH EULOGIA KAI hH DOXA KAI hH SOFIA KAI Hh EUCARISTIA KAI hH TIMH KAI
Hh DUNAMIS KAI hH ISCUS TWi QEWi hHMWN EIS TOUS AIWNAS TWN AIWNWN.
There we cannot think about an instrumental dative.
In Ps 96: 7-8 we have:
Give the LORD ... glory and strength .... the glory of his Name.
So in honoring God, we "give" Him mostly things He already has. We say that
those things are in the first place connected with Him and not with us. It
is the same principle we meet in Rev 4: 10:
They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power,
"Give" in Ps 96 - "receive" here !
So I would paraphrase your verse with "(We) give the honor for our salvation
to God ... and the Lamb".
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
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Van: "Henry T. Carmichael" <carmih at bigfoot.com>
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Verzonden: vrijdag 3 september 2004 16:40
Onderwerp: [B-Greek] Revelation 7:10
> A question regarding the shout of the innumerable multitude:
> H SOTERIA TWi QEWi HMWN TWi KAQHMENWi EPI TWi QRONWi KAI TWi ARNIWi.
> The datives TWi QEWi HMWN ... TWi ARNIWi are generally rendered as "to
> our God ... to the Lamb." As I was reading today, it occurred to me
> that they could be instrumental datives, and be rendered "by our God ...
> by the Lamb." The NIV has "belongs to our God ...", and Charles B.
> Williams has "is due to our God ...", which latter has an instrumental
> flavor to it.
> What do the list members think of the instrumental possibility?
> Thanks in advance for your views.
> Henry Carmichael
> What do the list members think of the instrumental idea for Rev. 7:10?
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