[B-Greek] Jn. 8:40

Barbara D. Colt babc2 at comcast.net
Tue Nov 23 16:31:02 EST 2004



On 23 Nov 2004 at 14:40, gfsomsel at juno.com wrote:


> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:03:42 -0500 "Carl W. Conrad"
> <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
> > At 1:53 PM -0500 11/23/04, gfsomsel at juno.com wrote:
> > >
> > >Yes, but he is concerned with the problem of having (if I may
> > >overliteralize the translation)
> > >
> > >"Now you seek to kill me, a man who ** I told you the truth ** "
> > >
> > >where the 3 s is transformed into 1 s.  Your example seems 
> > somewhat
> > >different in that the "me", while 1 s. functions as the object and 
> > is
> > >continued by the 3 s.
> > 
> > NUN DE ZHTEITE ME APOKTEINAI ANQRWPON hOS THN ALHQEIAN hUMIN 
> > LELALHKA hHN
> > HKOUSA PARA TOU QEOU . . .
> > 
> > What actually are you saying, George? that ANQRWPON is third 
> > singular and
> > is the real antecedent of hOS? I'd understand ANQRWPON as 
> > appositional to
> > ME and I'd still understand ME as the antecedent of hOS and the 
> > factor
> > accounting for the first-person verb LALHKA (as well as HKOUSA). Was it
> > some other "person" (ANQRWPOS) hOS LELALHKEN and HKOUSEN? No, I was the
> > ANQRWPOS, and it was I who LELALHKA and HKOUSA.
> > 
> > You're well aware that you're "overliteralizing" the translation: 
> > there is
> > no EGW as subject of these first-singular verbs; the subject is hOS, and
> > hOS is NOT distinctively third-person in reference even if it functions
> > with third-person verbs in by far the majority of cases.
> > 
> > I must say, I'm glad we're talking about Greek, even if it could be
> > questioned whether we're "saying" anything.
> > -- 
Couldn't it be simply that the writer made a mistake?  People mess up that 
sort of sentence in English all the time and then argue about it.  I'd be 
surprised if the Greeks were much different.

Barbara D. Colt, mailto:babc2 at comcast.net
St John the Evangelist, San Francisco
>From envy, hatred, and malice and all uncharitableness
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