[B-Greek] 1 Thess 4:15 hHMEIS + substantive ptcs.
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Tue Jan 6 10:44:12 EST 2004
I think Paul's *language* cannot be further relaxed. But he is only writing
about himself and the readers.
As the problem was (verse 13) what his actual readers had to think about
their own brothers and sisters who died, the scope of his answer is limited.
When he added hOI ZWNTES hOI PERILEIPOMENOI EIS THN PAROUSIAN TOU KYRIOU, he
obviously reduced the scope of "we" to those who might be alive of his
readers (and himself).
Paul is not *writing* about the possibility that none of them might be
alive. That would be beyond the scope of the problem.
So there is a possibility he *thought* of it, but that is clearly a matter
of exegesis and comparing others texts of Paul. And that is beyond the scope
of this list.
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
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Verzonden: dinsdag 6 januari 2004 16:07
Onderwerp: [B-Greek] 1 Thess 4:15 hHMEIS + substantive ptcs.
> As Moon's message was garbled in the HTML version that came to me for
> moderation, I'm forwarding this version for him with what I hope is an
> appropriate subject-header. cwc
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> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:18:43 +0900
> Hi, I finally found some time and energy to think about this problem.
> 1 Thess 4:15 For we tell you this by the word of the Lord,19 that we who
> are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will surely not go
> ahead of those who have fallen asleep.
> hOTI hHMEIS hOI ZWNTES hOI PERILEIPOMENOI EIS THN PAROUSIAN TOU KYRIOU
> OU MH FQASWMEN TOUS KOIMHQENTAS.
> Some commentaries take "we who are alive, who are left until the coming
> of the Lord", to mean the same as "those who are alive, who are left
> until the coming of the Lord".
> Is it allowed from the linguistic point of view? When Paul said hHMEIS,
> he must have had in mind his audience and himself. When he added hOI
> hOI PERILEIPONEMOI EIS
> THN PAROUSIAN TOU KYRIOU, he reduced the scope of "we" further. But I am
> puzzled how Paul's langauge can be further relaxed to mean "any of us
> Christians who
> are alive until the coming of the Lord"?
> Moon R. Jung
> Associate Professor
> Dept of Media Technology
> Graduate School of Media Comm
> Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
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