BDAG at Rv 3:14 - Christ was the first creation now probable
WesWilliams at usa.net
Thu Jan 25 13:10:34 EST 2001
I know you must be busy, but so that we can put to rest the option of
"beginner" for ARCH one way or the other and never have it rise again on
b-greek, would you please give an answer to Greg Stafford's query on your
understanding of "beginner"? I am puzzled understanding how the ARCH is
the Beginner if he is the intermediate agent and not the direct agent.
> In a message dated 01/23/2001 9:46:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, CEP7 writes:
> << ARCH is cognate to the verb ARCOMAI so it is a verbal noun. ARCH is
> distinct from QEOU. QEOU is the ultimate agent. ARCH would refer to the
> intermediate agent.
> Charles E. Powell, Ph.D. >>
> But we are asking about the verbal ideas implicit in ARCH, as the head noun
> in an objective genitive expression. ARCOMAI is not used in this verse,
> hence, any verbal idea for the head term must be implicit in ARCH, but I do
> not see it here, or elsewhere. Being a cognate to ARCOMAI does not
> necessarily give it an implicit verbal idea.
> I realize ARCH is distinct from QEOU. That is my point: the creation is TOU
> QEOU, so if we accept "beginner" for ARCH then who did the creating, hH ARCH
> or hO QEOS? How do you understand TOU QEOU in relation to hH ARCH in this
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